Sunday, July 19, 2009


Veg or Nonveg?
Here I start a new thread and fresh topic.We,TamilBrahmins are traditionally veg eaters. As we are used to take milk, curd,butter,ghee etc., we are not pure vegitarians. But we are classified as lacto-vegitariens. Now a days I hear many youngsters of our community have taken to non-veg practice.My question is," are we to ignore this trend?"
"...I was too conservative and brahminical to have tried meat. Most crucially, I was not politically conscious those days. Not liking the idea of my partner having to buy oily meat from hotels, I decided that I would at least cook it at home. Soon, I began tasting it. Over the years, I have come to really enjoy it and realise what I had been missing all these years. What really got me hooked to the taste of meat was my liking for kebabs—burnt mutton. (In 2003, I also savoured succulent beef kebabs at Bade Miyan in Mumbai thanks to my friend Sharmila.) Since 2001, I have turned quite a decent meat-eater. Yet, nonbrahmin friends would point to how I am a bit clumsy in my inability to clean up the bones dry. Today, we cook mutton, beef, all kinds of seafood and chicken at home. I have not yet conquered pork, though I love bacon the way it is served continental style."--This is a copy paste from the thread ""
The above writer, Mr. Ananth is a journalist and an Iyengar by birth named S.Anand. I am told Mr.Anand is not an isolated case.Would you like to comment on this? This trend among Brahmins good or bad? Is this progressive?
Sudarshana.gemini's reply to Mr.S.ANAND
".. your basis for eating meat stems from you not wanting to relate to your brahmin identity. That is no way reletd to any kind of forward outlook.As vegetarianism is afterall at the end of the day a more civilised way of living. The reasons for that are obvious.And besides one community noteating meat brings a balance to the system and works to the advantage"
The point is our new generation youngsters seem to be confused. We have to talk to them scientifically. We have to tell them there is no "progressiveness" in switching over to non-veg.
"There are several reasons why it's a good idea to become a vegan - from abstaining from cruelty to animals, a lighter footprint on the environment to reducing our share of intake so that more people can have the minimum food to survive - the reasons are many. There are also many reasons why eating meat is a bad idea.Here's something you have probably never thought about: when you say that you enjoy the taste of meat, what you are really enjoying is the spices and the salt that's used to cook the meat. True, some people like the texture of the meat, and yes, animal fats such as butter and cheese have some kind of taste to them. But, by understanding the fact that the so-called "taste" of meat actually comes from the spices used (in fact, that's one reason Europeans were desperate to find trading routes to India - because meat would be horrible to eat without the salt and the spices). Please do yourself a favor and try and get a copy of the book "Beyond Beef" by Jeremy Rifkin. As a NON-BRAHMIN,NON-DALIT and someone who used to enjoy "delicious" meat in my earlier years, I can say from my experience in the last 23 years that I haven't missed anything by becoming a vegetarian first, and a vegan soon after"
Krikum said...
It is good thought initiated. irrespective of the community vegetarian is best food. Even mutton eating lions eat only herbevores animals.
When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat.Meat-eaters: have clawsHerbivores: no clawsHumans: no claws Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongueHerbivores: perspire through skin poresHumans: perspire through skin pores Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grindingHerbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grindingHumans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quicklyHerbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length. Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meatHerbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eaterHumans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruitsHumans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grainsHerbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grainsHumans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)

Why non-veg is not natural to humans?
The animals whose nature is to eat meat, do not cook the meat.They eat raw fresh meat.But human sysem is not suitable to eat meat without cooking.The predators will not eat the dead animal if they do not have the knowledge of how and when the animal died.This is because they want to avoid any bacterial infection caused by eating old meat.Strange that humans tend to eat old, packaged meat and get sick!

"Wouldn't you like live an extra decade or more, reach your goal weight, and live out the rest of your life without chronic disease? Are you interested in preventing heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes, osteoporosis, Alzheimer's disease, impotence and obesity. A vegetarian diet can severely reduce your chance of these diseases. Research has proven that vegetarians are 50% less likely to develop heart disease, and they have 40 percent of the cancer rate of meat-eaters.Meat-eating people are nine times more likely to be obese than vegans are. Eating meat, eggs, and dairy products has been strongly linked to osteoporosis, Alzheimer's, asthma, and male impotence. Scientists also found that vegetarians have stronger immune systems than those of us that eat meat. Vegetarians are less susceptible to common diseases like the flu because of this. On average, vegetarians and vegans live six to ten years longer than non-vegetarians.The American Dietic Association said that vegetarians have "lower rates of death from ischemic heart disease; lower blood cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer"
Dr.Rakesh.S. :
"According to the new developments in medical sciences, vegetarian diet is closer to and is more useful for human nature. It is more scientific for human body. Because of this, people are now adopting vegetarian diet as part of new life-style. It is a fact that the non-vegetarian diet contains cholesterol and saturated fatty acid. These are the root cause of problems like coronary heart disease, cerebro-vascular accidents (strokes), eye diseases and high blood pressure. In a non-vegetarian diet, only 60 % of its content is useful for human body, rest 40 % contains harmful and toxic products. In addition to it, non-vegetarian diet is generally heavy for stomach and produces acidity, which in turn can cause many diseases of gastrointestinal system."
"Question: How does eating meat affect water usage, water pollution and the ocean?Answer: The global effects of meat consumption don’t stop on land. Agriculture also requires water consumption, and animal agriculture is no exception. Animal production consumes an amount of water roughly equivalent to all other uses of water in the United States combined. Besides grains, animals need water to survive and grow until they are slaughtered. One pound of beef requires an input of approximately 2500 gallons of water, whereas a pound of soy requires 250 gallons of water and a pound of wheat only 25 gallons. Meat production is inefficient as it requires the consumption of an extensive amount of resources over many months and years before becoming a usable food product"

"Today, more than ever, the monetary is one of the top advantages of vegetarianism. Everyone is looking at costs!Meat is costly to raise and process, and it wastes a lot of natural resources in comparison to raising plant based foods. If we take meat out of our grocery bill, we will reduce it by approximately half.Medical costs in the United States alone, directly caused by meat consumption, are in the billions of dollars.".
"Are there health advantages to vegetarianism?Of course! In fact, it’s the only healthy
way to eat! A meatless diet is higher in roughage and lower in saturated fats than an animal-based diet. Thus vegetarians are less likely to suffer from heart disease, high cholesterol, obesity, arthritis, and many forms of cancer.A vegetarian enjoys better health by his/her avoidance of the various drugs, chemicals, pesticides and dyes commonly found in meat. Half the nation’s supply of antibiotics is now fed to food-animals. Drugs like penicillin and tetracycline are becoming routinely ingested by factory-farmed animals on a daily basis. Some scientists believe this practice undermining the effectiveness of these drugs to treat human illness.The vegetarian diet also offers a health advantage to the many people in our world who suffer from hunger and malnutrition. It takes ten or more pounds of plant protein to produce one pound of meat protein in grain-fed livestock. By our adopting a vegetarian diet and eating plant protein directly, the world’s food supplies can be extended further to feed a much large population. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to know there were no starving children anywhere in the world? This can be accomplished with vegetarianism.This consideration for other human being has led some people to adopt a vegetarian diet, although most ethical arguments for vegetarianism focus on the treatment of animal".FROM WWW.geocites,com/leehaozhong

toran.sahu said...
Dear KMR Krishnan Sir,Its really a very good thread.I was a Non-vegetarian, I like its taste too much.But Now I am a Vegetarian, It is to going only 5 Months, .And reading this thread, I am feeling really fine.
To eat meat or not to eat meat, India forces the question.
"I’ve always harboured a secret respect for vegetarians. There’s something inherently distasteful about rearing an animal, nurturing it, then killing it so you can eat its flesh. I’ll freely admit I’m a hypocrite, willing to trade the morally right for the merely tasty: I don’t mind doing the eating, so long as somebody else has already done the killing.My brief flirtation with vegetarianism taught me a lot about myself, mostly negative things. It taught me the limits of my willpower, of my sense of adventure, and of my ability to adapt to new cultures. It also gave me an insight into how vegetarians probably feel in carnivorous countries. I left India for Nepal, and when I saw chickens being slaughtered from the window of my hotel room in Pokhara – their throats were cut and they were flung into a plastic bucket on the ground to flap and bleed to death – I felt mildly repelled, but not at all guilty. And I ate chicken that night.I’m now reconciled to being a carnivore. I know eating meat is bad karma, but I can’t help it. I’ll just have to take the risk of being reborn as a battery hen."FROM www.roadjunky .com
''He who desires to augment his own flesh by eating the flesh of other creatures lives in misery in whatever species he may take his birth. Mahabharat 115.47Those high-souled persons who desire beauty, faultlessness of limbs, long life, understanding, mental and physical strength and memory should abstain fromacts of injury. Mahabharat 18.115.8The very name of cow is Aghnya ["not to be killed"], indicating that they should never be slaughtered. Who, then could slay them? Surely, one who kills a cow or abull commits a heinous crime. Mahabharat Shantiparv 262.47The purchaser of flesh performs Hinsa (violence) by his wealth; he who eats flesh does so by enjoying its taste; the killer does Hinsa by actually tying and killing the animal. Thus, there are three forms of killing: he who brings flesh or sends for it, he who cuts off the limbs of an animal, and he who purchases, sells or cooks flesh and eats it -- all of these are to be considered meat-eaters. Mahabharat Anu 115.40He who sees that the Lord of all is ever the same in all that is -- immortal in the field of mortality -- he sees the truth. And when a man sees that the God in himself is the same God in all that is, he hurts not himself by hurting others. Then he goes, indeed, to the highest path. Bhagavad Geeta 13.27-28Ahinsa is the highest Dharm. Ahinsa is the best Tapas. Ahinsa is the greatest gift. Ahinsa is the highest self-control. Ahinsa is the highest sacrifice. Ahinsa is the highest power. Ahinsa is the highest friend. Ahinsa is the highest truth. Ahinsa is the highest teaching. Mahabharat 18.116.37-41What is the good way? It is the path that reflects on how it may avoid killing any creature. Tirukural 324All that lives will press palms together in prayerful adoration of those who refuse to slaughter and savor meat. Tirukural 260What is virtuous conduct? It is never destroying life, for killing leads to every other sin. Tirukural 312, 321Goodness is never one with the minds of these two: one who wields a weapon and one who feasts on a creature's flesh. Tirukural 253 ''(Excerpts from Hinduism Today.)
Why Become Vegetarian?Again, let me state that vegetarianism isn’t for everyone. If you are fanatically devoted to meat (and I was at one time, so I understand), you might not be interested. If you already eat healthy, or you’re not interested in your health, you might not be interested.But there are some reasons, for the rest of us, to consider it (and these are just a few — see these 49 reasons or these 21 reasons for more):Cut the fat. While meat provides a lot of protein, it also provides a ton of fat — especially saturated fat. Which means that by cutting out meat, you’ll be cutting out a lot of bad fat, and replacing it with things that are probably not only lower in fat, but that contain some good fats. This greatly reduces your risk of heart disease, and in fact numerous studies have shown that vegetarians tend to have a lower risk of heart disease, as well as hypertension, diabetes, cancer and other diseases. Read more here. Less food poisoning. Food poisoning gets millions of people each year — and many of them from meat, which is a good breeding ground for harmful bacteria, especially if not stored, prepared or cooked exactly right. Cut out meat and you lower your risk of food poisoning (especially if you also cut out eggs and dairy, but that’s optional). Reduce the suffering. You probably don’t want to hear about the horrific treatment of animals that are raised for food, even before they are slaughtered for our benefit. But suffice it to say, there are great amounts of suffering involved, and by cutting out meat, you are reducing your involvement in that. Read more here. Help the environment. There are actually numerous ways that the meat industry harms the environment, from a waste of our resources (animals raised for food eat enough grain to feed the world), to a waste of fuel, to the pollution caused by their waste matter, and much more. Read more about that here. Help your weight loss. It’s possible to be vegetarian and eat very unhealthy foods, including Coke and fries and fried stuff and pizza and chips. But it’s much more difficult. Studies repeatedly show that vegetarians are slimmer and are less likely to be obese than meat eaters. If you’re trying to lose weight, being a vegetarian can be a good part of your program. Get more nutrition. In general (though not necessarily), vegetarians replace meat with more nutritious foods, such as fruits, vegetables, beans, whole grains, and so on. If you do that, you will be getting more of the nutrients your body needs, giving you better health, less illness, and more energy.
Non-vegetarian food weakens the bones
:American medical practitioner, Dr. A. Watchman
and Dr. D.S.Bernstine have conducted a special study and declared their report. They said that non-vegetarian food weakens the bones gradually and they begin to deteriorate. The vegetarian people have strong bones when compared to non-vegetarians. In the non-vegetarians high quantity of alkaline and salts are excreted through urine, which causes deficiency of these salts in the blood. The blood fulfills the deficiency from the bones. The imbalance reduces the resistance power in the human beings.Wild nature due to consumption of non-vegetarian food:-----------------------------------------------A famous scientist of Japan, Professor Venz has reached the conclusion on the basis of several experiments that non-vegetarian food plays a major role in raising the anger, anxiety, restlessness, hastiness, sexual desire ad criminal mentality. Therefore it is true that minute substances of food makes our mind and the mentality will be pious or passionate depending on the type of food we take.Food problems due to non-vegetarian food:-----------------------------------------------In the developed countries 6 tones of food is given to the cattle in order to produce one ton of meat. American scientist Borg Storm says that the amount of food given to the animals in order to obtain meat is sufficient to subside the hunger of worlds 50 per cent population. When 8 kg of vegetable protein is fed to the animals they produce one kg of meat protein. In the same way one non-vegetarian calorie can be obtained after burning 7 calories of vegetables. This is simply the wastage of protein and calories.Britain's Bernard Vaidyaril says that it is beyond ethics to feed the animals with more than half the quantity of world's food grain in order to obtain meat at a time when millions of people are starving. The same food could be given to them to satisfy their hunger. In order to obtain meat sufficient for the survival of ten people, the land that is used for this purpose the same land can be used for cultivating peas, barley, millets and other food grains then 100 people can survive.Avoiding the consumption of meat can reduce hunger: if the rich western countries stop eating non-vegetarian food then the food problem of the world can be overcome. On one hand the animals are given 40 crores tons of food every year, so that the rich people can eat the meat of these animals and on the other hand due to the deficiency of food grains around 50 crores population of the poor countries dies due to starvation every yearFROM YOGASANDESH.ORG

Topic : Bird Flu, Swine Flu ,……………..--------------------------------Next what ? Goat Flu, Beef Flu, Fish Flu,…., end less list of human greed.Dear HUMAN !We the human creed need just food for survival.Food feed the hunger, which brews in every 6 hours in our stomach as Hydro chloric acid. There are aplenty of vegetarian foods, especially natural greens are available.With the notion of adding more muscle in arms and legs, more and more meat are being eaten. Finally more meat is added to the head than elsewhere. Today’s human race is just short of being called as cannibals, though exceptions on either side are always there.Just two years ago we had the bird flu. Humans discovered that there is certain kind of flu spreading because of birds which can ultimately result in humans’ deaths. So we started culling millions of birds. Honestly I always get this question in my mind – if we are not eating these chickens will there be this much hens? Not at all. We over breed to fill our appetite. There are many endangered species of animals once again due to greed of human felling the forests. None of the species would be endangered if human decided to eat them. To feed ourselves, we would have forced them to produce more.Eating any animal itself is great harm, by overdoing the production cycle, chicken produced more sicks than chicks. One more horrible sight in India is the way chicken are transported, too many tied to a handle bar of an TVS 50 bike their heads hanging next to the wheel. These cruel beings can never be called as Human beings. The chicken will be teaching more lesson to the man(un)kind.Now after two years it is the turn of Pigs or swine’s. Killing or culling has started. Needs has a limit but greed never had a limit. The sight of a Pigs breeding ground will bring you influenza; over fed-immobile or less mobile- is a sitting duck for any disease. How many more pigs we are going to kill?If I request many of my known meat eaters to have some kindness towards animals, they simply reason, even if they stop, many may not stop. No purpose will be solved, so they continue. As if they have all started doing everything together, they wait for everyone to stop. One more category is there; their argument is, if they don’t eat, what will happen to the businesses which are thriving on animals? They will close down, economy will be affected. What an economy of killers?More you eat the meat, more you need to do farming, as most of the animals you eat are vegetarians. They need only greens for survival at least till the meaties eat them off. Thousand of hectares of land is required for producing food for the would be meats. Already greedy men have converted many of the fertile lands in to plots and converting many more. The food prices are skyrocketing. Even for 50Rs. You cannot eat for your full stomach in this 2009. What is going to happen tomorrow? Will we justify cannibalism just because we don’t have food?Wake up enough is enough. Even a lion or a tiger eats only herbivores animal not the carnivore ones. Basic facts are that for the carnivores animals the acids produced are more concentrated than that is produced in human beings, so what digests in their intestine may not fully get digested in ours. For a goat, a tiger at least runs for 20kms in a day, we don’t even walk one km to buy the goat. The chances of burning these over calories doesn’t exist, we end up with excess meat on the belly. Animals teeth are designed for eating meat.Eating more animals, we tend to ignore more human values.Being vegetarian, especially on green vegetables than rice or wheat, makes the whole body more lighter and mind more brighter. All the ancient philosophies have told and modern science is also accepting to the fact the vegetarians are less harmful than a non vegetarian. More flesh & blood inside human makes us crueler. So violence can be brought down with more becoming vegetarians.World will be more peaceful with more vegetarians around. Sure the animal world will be more pleasant, nature will be thriving.Go Green. Your mind is very strong than your flesh. So work for making your mind more & more strong. Peace will pervade everywhere and no war to kill fellow living things.Lead a peaceful, happy & prosperous life. Become a vegetarian now.Be a responsible citizen. It is our society. We only make it.S. Krishna feedbacks by email : -- Be a Responsible :
In olden days the slaughter of animals for food was done in a hidden place;not in public.The slaughter house had a vetenary dictor to certify the healthiness of the animal and a sanitary inspector to supervise the hygeine. Now-a-days all rules have been dropped in to the drainage.Every bus stop has an unlicensed mutton shop where a goat's carcass hangs upside down and another crying live-goat pitiably view all this cruelty!The mutton shopwaala throws the unwanted portion of the meat on to the street. Stray dogs, crows fight to grab the pieces of mutton.The vehicle riders ,if not careful have to get involved in an accident.
They say,the vegetarian food is not having the full and wholesome protein.This is not correct.The vegtarian food has the protein which is required for human beings. May be man might have needed more protein when he was doing lots of physical labour and the machines and gadgets were not found. In the modern days of escalators and lifts, mixie and grinder,washing machines, protein for the grown ups is sufficiently supplied by veg food.So break the myth that we need non-veg for protien
Kerala state is a big market for beef.In Tamilnadu goat mutton is popular and cows mutton,beef is not very popular. One paricular religious group of foreign origin only takes beef. But in the neighbouring Kerala beef is popular. In our Thanjavur Friday night is the day of shandy for cattle.On the next morning we witness the pathetic cows being transported to Kerala for slughtering. The animals are made to stand for the long journey in a crowded open lorry.It is a horrible scene.We call ourselves human and the animals brutes. I think the names should be the otherway around.We are brutes by action.They are human by their usefulness.
--------------------------Swami Vivekanada was living when he had to witness many a famine under British rule.The Britishers deliberately stopped production of food stuff and forced people to produce cotton instead,to feed Lancashire mills. With the result artificial famine condition prevailed. Seeing Indians' emaciated look Swamiji, out of compassion, expressed the opinionthat Indians may eat anything,veg-or non veg to survive and get some enrgy to workThat way he was opposed to 'veg alone' concept.Here I present you with his opinion wriiten in a letter form to Maharajah of Khetri on 22nd May 1893 :"....On our way we had the company of Mr.Ramnath, the charan Headmaster of the Jeypore noble’s school. He and I had a bout on my first coming out of Khetri years ago, about vegetarianism. He had in the meantime got hold of some American writers and pounced upon me with his arguments from them. His author, he said, has proved to his satisfaction that the human digestive organs including the teeth are exactly like those of the cow. Therefore, man is designed by nature to be a vegetarian animal. He is a very good and nice gentleman and I did not want to disturb his confidence in the American hobbyist but one thing was on the tip of my tongue—If our digestive apparatus is exactly like that of a cow—we ought and must be able to eat and digest grass. In that case poor Indians are fools to die of starvation in famine times while their natural food, grass, is so abundant, and your Highness’ servants are fools to serve you while they have only to get up the nearest hillock and get a bellyful of grass instead of undergoing all the trouble of serving others!!! Grand American discovery indeed!!! Only I hope the holy dungs of such human cows may become of great use to the wonderful American author and his Indian disciple. Amen. So much for the cow-human theory...."With reverence to swamiji, I tell the reply to convince him why humans are only vegetarians.If not grass, humans can take many vegetables raw without cooking. The list of vegatables, fruits, nuts which humans can consume withoutcooking is enormous.In contrast, humans can not take any of the non-veg stuff including Bengali fish with out cooking.Carnivorous animals eat raw flesh. Why man cooks flesh?That shows non-veg is not natural food for man.what swamiji was advocating was aapath dharma.When people were starving,let them eat whatever they received.But that can not be a general arguement at normal times.Hope I do not in any way disrespctful to Swamiji. I hold him in very high esteem.KMR.KRISHNAN

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