Sunday, October 4, 2009
GENERAL DOUBTS IN ASTROLOGY
Here post any general doubts in astrology. This is a discussionn forum. The students of astrology can post here. No particular horoscope should be mentioned.You should not tell in whose horoscope such position exists. I shall wait for others to answer and finally i shall give my consolidated opinion.
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Doubt: When all planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu in Lagna chart, we say it as Kal Sarp Dosha. Is there the concept of Kal Sarp Dosha exists in Vedic astrology? Some astrologers belive in it and some don't.
ReplyDeleteAlso, when all planets except one is out of Rahu and Ketu - does it called as Half Kal Sarp Dosha?
Thanks and Regards
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Raghav Mahajan
Dear Sir:
ReplyDeleteThere seems to be quite a few yogas in astrology. Please list as much as possible with the relevant benefits.
Thanks & Kind Regards
Venkat
Dear Vengat.
ReplyDeleteThere are 402 yogas out of which we can say 300 are known yogas.Please visit classroom2007.blogspot.com to know more about yogas.
Thank you
Rathinavel.C
I got a very nice article on internet explaining Kal Sarp Yoga in Detail:---
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ammas.com/uploadedfiles/026331841_The%20Mystery%20of%20Kal%20Sarpa%20Yoga.doc
Thanks and Regards
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Raghav Mahajan
TO RAGHV MAHAJAN
ReplyDelete-----------------WHY DON'T YOU WRITE A GIST OF WHAT YOU LEARNT FROM AMMA'S.COM ON KAAL SARP DOSHA OR YOGA? THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL TO MANY. EDUCATIVE ALSO.THAT WILL CREATE MORE DISCUSSIONS. I WANT TO LIMIT MY INTERFERENCE TO MINIMUM IN THIS FORUM. THIS SHOULD BE READERS' FORUM.
TO RAHINAVEL
------------ AS CLASSROOM2007 IS A TAMIL BLOG, MANY WHO VIST HERE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THAT. I SEEK YOU TO WRITE THAT IN TO SIMPLE ENGLISH (ON YOGAS) TRY THAT. THAT SERVICE WILL SOON FETCH YOU GOOD JOB. DO YOU KNOW GURU AND MARS ARE ASPECTING EACH OTHER FRON TODAY? GURU MANGALA YOGA. THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL BE BENEFITTED.
Dear Sir.
ReplyDeleteAs per your words I will try to explain the yogas here.Please do correct me if i am going wrong anywhere......
To begin with....
In Vedic astrology associations the planets form or variations of how they are placed in the chart are referred to as Yogas. Yoga means union, or that which joins or yokes. Most yogas are composed of more than one planet. The idea behind most yogas is to equate the planet’s strength in a chart, and how and when it will produce its effects in the person’s life. This is generally determined through the dashas of the planets.
If a planet is involved in many good, strength producing yogas it will give it’s beneficial results at the time the person enters the dasha of that planet. There are auspicious yogas for wealth, success, and happiness as well as inauspicious yogas for downfall, poverty and ill health.
There are three major yogas based on house ruler ship. They are Raja Yoga, Dhana Yoga, and Arista Yoga.
Raja Yoga
The first mentioned here is a Raja Yoga. Raja Yoga means “royal union”, it is formed by the association of planets and the houses they rule. Raja Yoga is formed by a planet of a kendra house together with a planet of a triconal house. The kendra houses (1,4,7,10) are the houses of manifestation and the triconal houses (1,5,9) are the houses of purpose or dharma. The first house serves as both. When planets are combined with both action and purpose great things manifest.
To be continued.....
Thanks
ABOUT KAL SARP YOGA
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As the name itself says, it is "Yoga" not "Dosha". This Yoga is said to be formed when all planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu in Lagna chart.
My research about it says that vedic astrology scriptures doesnot have any reference to this Yoga. Saints/Rishis/Astrologers like Maharshi Parasar, Jaimini, Varahamihira, Ramanujacharya, Kalidas, Baidyanath Dixit, Benkateswar Daivajna, Mantreswar, Chuntiraj or famous astrologers didn’t accept this yoga. However, they have highlighted the great effect of Rahu and Ketu on one's life.
Whenever astrologers find that all planets are between Rahu and Ketu (complete yoga) or if one planet is outside the Rahu and Ketu (half yoga) - they try to relate all the problems in one's life to this Yoga only and they rarely try to see other conjuctions in the chart.
Problems indicated by this Yoga:
1. No benefit by other planets as the life is goverend by Rahu and Ketu only
2. No Projeny or Less projeny (child)
3. Not very good married life
4. Not getting results/fruits according to the efforts one put in.
As the name "Kal Sarp" (Kal - Time/death | Sarp -Snake) horrifies many people, it has become very famous these days.
Some astrolgers advice worship of lord shiva or go to Nasik for some special poojas.
Some astrologers advice to wear a ring in middle finger with Gomedh (Hessonite) and Lahsuniya (Cat's eye) studded in the same ring as Rahu denotes the head and Ketu denotes the tail.
There are many people who have Kal Sarp Dosha in their horoscopes and they have attained great heights in life. Some examples:
1. Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru (Became prime minister but not good married life)
2. Sachin Tendular (constant success - less up/downs)
3. Lata Mangeshkar (famous playback singer but not good married life)
4. Mahatma Gandhi
5. Bankim Chandra Chatterji
So, dear readers no need to fear about it. But remedies of Rahu and Ketu can be done as they contribute great in everyone's life based on their placement in the chart. Rest, God is great!!!
Views/thoughts/Questions by anyone are most welcome.
Thanks and Regards
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Raghav Mahajan
Thanks both to Raghav Mahjan and Rathinavel. Good work. Continue that.
ReplyDeleteYoga and Avayoga are present in almost all horoscopes. It is mixed like milk and water. By constant prayer to God(prayer can be compared to fire which is usd to boil milk)the water content(avayoga) of any person can be evaporated.
There were times in the astrology when horoscopes were wrtten with 7 planets only, with out Raghu and Kethu.It is told the later day astrologers included the concept of chaya grahas(Raghu,Kethu).Now we find with out them
every one will have major portion of their life smooth sailing.In practical life we find very few have smooth life. Majority are suffering most of the time.So placement of Raghu and Kethu and making(!) them move in anti clockwise directions had made astrologers
simply explain away the ill effects of Raghu, Kethu.
In Tamilnadu atleast for the past 1400 years the chayagrahas are known if not earlier.As Mahajan says there may not be vedic sanction for the chaya grahas.But 1400 years is quite a long period for a concept to get established. Is it not?
In Tamilnadu superstar Rajinikanth is a kalasarpa yoga personality. He is very famous and wealthy. But indecisive, confusing,vague.
For how many years Kalasarpa dosha will have effect on marriage? No satisfactory answer for this. If a girl/boy is having Kalsarp dosha, the marriage can be done after they complete 28years.Why? The total Bindhus in ashtavarga is 337. That is divided by 12(raasis)that gives 28.It is believed the harmful effect of Kalsarpa will be over if we wait upto 28 years.
Dear Sir.
ReplyDeleteI have also read in BV Raman book the whatever astavarga bindu we have in the ascendent ,that many years Raghu and Kethu will influence the person.
Thanks
Arista Yoga
ReplyDeleteThe other major yoga formed by house rulership is the Arista Yoga. This is the yoga of suffering and spirituality. Usually the suffering is from illness. The combination of the rulers of the most difficult houses (trik or dusthana) (6,8,12) are combined, but again when these houses are combined with the ruler of the 1st this brings the suffering to the individual. Again as in the Dhana Yoga, any combination of these house rulers would constitute Arista Yoga. Generally it is through our suffering that spirituality is sought. Therefore this yoga will produce both suffering and spiritual opportunities.
A planetary combination of two or more planets can form all three of these yogas, indicating the joy and pain combined in one’s life. For example if the combination of 2 planets create an Arista Yoga and a Dhana Yoga. The planets rule 2 houses (except the Sun and Moon) each, so you would be merging 4 houses together. Therefore 2 planets can be both a Raja Yoga, and a Arista Yoga.
To C.Rathinvel
ReplyDelete---------------Fine. Continue with good spirit.
Your good period starts on 4-11-09 when Sukra starts his transit of thulam where he will meets 5 native planets. positive results expected at that time.
Some more yogas....
ReplyDeleteParivartana Yoga
Another way in which planets can be connected is through parivartana yoga. This is called mutual reception in western astrology. The planets receive connection through being in each other’s sign of rulership. For example: Mars in Cancer, and Moon in Scorpio, Mars is in the sign ruled by Cancer, and the Moon is in the sign ruled by Mars. Their rulerships exchange signs.
A special note if you have a planet that is in aspect, and in parivartana then you have 2 planets in a Sambandha, this means they are completely connected. This makes these planets connect and operate together. They work in unison.
When entering a dasha of a planet involved in parivartana yoga it would simultaneously activate the other planet through this connection. An example of sambandha is the Sun in Aquarius and Saturn in Leo. The Sun and Saturn mutually aspect each other plus they are in each other’s sign of rulership.
Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas
These are called the five Yogas of great people. Pancha means “five”, Maha means “great” and purusha means “man”. The Mahapurusha Yoga is a planet (excluding the Sun and Moon) in it’s own sign or exalted in a kendra (angle). When a planet is a Mahapurusha Yoga will indicate an extremely strong planet barring it’s stamp of representations of that planetary energy, it will be accentuated in the individual’s life.
Papa Kartari Yoga
Kartari means “scissors”, and papa means “sin”. This is also called “hemmed in”. It is when malefic planets surround a house and the planets within that house. There must be a malefic in both the house before, and after (surrounding) the house hemmed in. The malefic planets are Saturn, Mars, Rahu, and Ketu and Sun. Example: Saturn in the 12th house and Mars in the 2nd house, the 1st house is hemmed in by malefics, constituting papa katari yoga for the 1st house. Interpretation: The 1st house would be robbed of protection. The matters the 1st house rules would be harmed. The 1st house rules physical health, and the body. Here the body is harmed.
Thank you
TO C.Rathinavel
ReplyDelete-------------Thank you!Good effort!In the first
example Mars in Kataka and Moon in Vrichika,both the planets are under debilitation in the places they have ocupied. Under these circumstances will the 'parivardhana' work?
Dear Sir.
ReplyDeleteTo the best of my knowledge,i think this will work,it is my understanding that neecham petra graham will delay the respective gains and prospects but when they are acting together they will gain power.Also we need to look into navamsha chart to see where they are placed.
Please correct me if i am wrong.
Thank you
If a planet occupies the same rashi in birth chart and navamsha, it is called VARGOTTAM and unconditionally beneficial.However if the planet is debilitated as well as vargottam ,what is the effect. For example if sun is debilitated in libra in 10th house( directional strength) and in Libra in Navamsha also making it Vargottam.It is contradictory situation.Please comment.
ReplyDeleteTO SUBBHASH
ReplyDelete-------------IN THE EXAMPLE YOU HAVE GIVEN THE LAGNA MUST HAVE BEEN MAKARA(CAPRICON).FOR CAPRICON SUN IS 8TH LORD.THOUGH HE IS NOT CONSIDERED AS A MALEFIC FOR CAPRICON, HIS GETTING INTO A KENDRA GIVES HIM STRENGHTH.
IN NAVAMSA ALSO IF THE LAGNA IS THE SAME ,THEN SUN CAN BE CONSIDERED TO HAVE GAINED STRENGTH AS A BENEFIC EVEN THOUGH HE IS IN DEBILITTAION.BUT IF THE LAGNA IS DIFFERENT IN NAVAMSA, WE HAVE TO VIEW THAT ACCORDINGLY.EVEN THOUGH IN DEBILITATION, ASHTAVARGA SUYA VARGA STRENGTH ALSO COUNTS IN DECIDING THE STRENGTH OF DEBILITATED SUN.
Diwali wishes to Sir & readers.
ReplyDeleteSir, I've heard the benefic planets on retrograde motion doesnt give the full results? Is it the same for malefic planets?
Could you explain the effects of retrogade effects for benefic & benefic planets?
Regards,
Srinath G
To Srinath
ReplyDelete-------------Benefics in retrogation will not give full benefits. Malefics in retrogation will give many problems. That will make the subject to make shifting from place to place.
Sani or Mars retrogation would give variuos types of troubles. Only constant prayer will solve the problem.
Sir,
ReplyDeleteI've read more number of Bindhus in position inn 11th house will give more profits?
How do we take the same (more bindhus) in hidden houses like 6,8,12? what do they signify?
Regards,
Srinath G
To Srinath
ReplyDelete----------
In Ashtavarga Bindus for 11th house more than 30 gives more profit. Good to elder brother.
Similarly the 6,8 places gives more money.12 th gives more travel.The placemnt of these places' lords has to be taken into consideration before prediction.
Doubt
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We say that for marriage horoscopes should be matched because it will tell various kinds of compatibilities. It is okay - I agree. But how a person can die because of his/her partner? Doesn't their own horoscope/stars play a role? If this is the case then why not the influence of a roommate/father/mother/in-laws result in the death , why only spouce? Please clarify.
Thanks and Regards
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Raghav Mahajan
Bangalore, India
Dear Sir.
ReplyDeleteI have some problem with my ISP,because of which i cant access any blog for past 10 days.
Please see the continuation of YOGAs'.
Kendra Trikona Yoga
The Kendra-Trikona Yoga is abbreviated to as K.T. Yoga. The first, fourth, seventh and tenth houses are called Kendras or angles. The fifth and the ninth houses are called Trikonas or trines. The first house is both a Kendra and a Trikona. This K.T. Yoga means any of the following Yogas:
Sambandha between
* Lords of the first and fifth
* Lords of the first and ninth
* Lords of the fourth and fifth
* Lords of the fourth and ninth
* Lords of the seventh and fifth
* Lords of the seventh and ninth
* Lords of the tenth and fifth
* Lords of the tenth and ninth
For certain purposes the first house is considered as a Trikona also, but the convention is not to call the Sambandha between (i.) and (iii) lords of the first and tenth a K.T. Yoga, although a Sambandha between (i.) lords of the first, and fourth, and (ii) the first and tenth is considered a Raja Yoga- a very good Yoga.
Dear Sir.
ReplyDeleteI have questions for you.
1.How will the 11th house will be accounted for?
It is neither trigona or kendra.But 11th house plays an important role in ones horoscope as it the house of gains.Please can you explain this in detail.
2.If sani and sun are in the same house,then it is said to be BRAMHATHI DOSA,please explain the same.
Thank you.
TO RAGHAV MHAJAN
ReplyDelete------------------Death is a subject which is always avoided in astrology. you are treading a foresaken path.
I shall answer this in a general way. We are attracted to persons either male or female with whom we have some horoscopic connectivity.
Like match making for marriage it is the practice in Tamilnadu to match the business partners horoscopes.
My eldest brother died in 1977.When I analyased the horoscopes of every member of the family after the incident, I found my parents had 5th place affected, other brothers and myself had our 3rd place affected in Gochara.(In my native chart 3rd has Kethu and neecha Sukra who is 11 th lord-elder brother house lord)
I could get the horoscopes of all who died in a car accident-5 in number.Surprisingly all of them had either Raghu dasa or Raghu bhukthi. And in Gochara 8th house affected .
Only those who have horoscope connection become a room mate, office mate etc.,
I am a Kataka lagna, Kataka Raasi suject. I always come across persons who is a Mesha, Vrichika,or Makara Raasi or Lagna people.I can give a list consists of 100.Why? Chevvai, Kuja , Mars is the yoga karaka for me.I get good or bad only from people in whose horoscope Mars is strong.
I attended preretiral session in our zonal training centre 8 months back. My room mate was a person whose date of birth, star and lagna are same.Both of us retired on the same date 31-08-09.He was my training mate 38 years ago. I met him only after 38 years.We were room mates for 3 days. How is it? do you say mere coincidence?
To C.Rathinavel
ReplyDelete---------------11th house is no doubt a profit house. But the 11th lord is considered as a melefic. If you want to have proof, please visit www.scribd.com/doc/15116806/BVRaman-How-to-Judge-Horoscope-vol1
Even in the introduction he mentions the 11th lord is a malefic.You may see in the almanec that all planets when transit the 11th do good only.Like the planet Bhuda who himself does not have any good or bad quality, but becomes a benefic, or malefic by the association he has, the 11th place also acts according to the planet that occupies the 11th.For example Kataka raasi people Sukra is the 11th lord. Usually Kataka Raasi people get Sukra dasa in the middle of their life.If Sukra is placed comfortably in a friendly place
it may give benefit. Otherwise the problems will be like that experienced through 7.5 Sani.
11th lord is also called Bathagathipathi that is one who does 'Throgam'.For Mesha, Kumba is the 11th. Both the lords are enemies. For Rishaba, Meena is the 11th.Both the house lords are enemies.Like this you can find for all.
11th place must have a planet to give the profit. Empty 11th house has no benefit.If you hav any information share it.
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ReplyDeleteThis place quite interesting,very informative. Thanks to Mr.Krishnan, Mr.Ragahv, Mr.rathinavel for sharing your knowledge.
ReplyDeleteI have doubt .
கோசார பலன் பார்க்கும்பொது ஒருவருடைய, லக்கனத்தை மையமாககொண்டு (counting as First house) or சந்திரனை மையமாககொண்டு (counting as First house) எதை வைத்து பலன் பார்க்கவேண்டும் ?
example- Rishaba Lagnam, Mesha rasi, Ashwini nakshatram எனும் பொது
ரிஷபதிலிருந்து should we start counting daily/monthly transits of planets and பலன் பார்க்கவேண்டுமா ?
How to determine the பலன், in கோசார
as of today Sukaran and Sat is in Kanni,But in Rasi katam Sat is in Methunam so how do we go about predicting taking properties of sat in kanni ? then what is influence of sat in methuna in rasi kattam
If some one could give a nice example with current transit would be really great.
To Agambrhmasmi
ReplyDelete--------------- Thank you for entering the discussion.Though yours is a very basic question, nothing wrong in posting it here. This forum is meant to give answers to big or small questions.
Gochara(kol sara-present transit)is to be counted from the place where Chandra is placed
in the natal chart-(birth chart).That is from Raasi-or sophistictedly called Chandra Lagna, that is treating Chandra as the first house.
In your example Gocharam should be counted from Mesham.So as on today Sani is in 6th place to Mesham in Gocharam. He is in his friend's place.For Mesham Sani is 10th,11th lord. As 11th lord Sani is a malefic to Mesham. So malefic going into a hidden place 6th is good. Brings in money.Loans both giving and taking will be smooth.Old debts will be closed, either way.Health will improve.Transit of Sukra in 6th 7th not good.WhEn sukra comes to Vrichika 8th he will do good.
If you are follwing 28no., Pambu Panchanga ,see in 26th page Gochara Palan which is depended by the Raasi palan in magazines.Hope I am clear to you. Continue to raise questions.
Others can supplment my post.
To aghambrahmansmi.
ReplyDeleteI have come across astrologers who take lagna as 1st place as well as Rasi as first place.However,for Gochara,we need to take only Rasi as first house,as krishnan sir have said.
Thanks
Dear Sir.
ReplyDeletewith continuation of question regarding 11th house,you said 11th house should not be empty.
However can I take ,the more number of planets in 11th house the more profit the person gets?.I also would like to know what will happen if a malefic,say 6th or 8th or 12th lord sits in 11th house along with 11th lord,10th lord,1st lord,9th lord.I think you know by this time what we are discudsing.
Thank you
Krishnan Sir,
ReplyDeleteWhat is Navamsa, Trimsasa, drekkana, dasamsa, Shystamsa. Can you please give us why , what does these charts reveal.
Thanks Mr.Rathinavel
ReplyDeleteTo அகம்பிரம்மாஸ்மி,
ReplyDeleteNavamasa is the magnified version of your Rasi chart.All the other charts are also the magnified version of the Rasi charts in a unique way.For example,dasamsa chart will help us to know more about job,Trisasa will be used to access about brothers and sisters and so on.However,the Rasi chart is the most important.These are used for foine tuning only.
I suggest you read this blog,
www.classroom2007.blogspot.com,this a forum where you can learn about astrlogy right from the basics.
Thank you
Rathinavel sir thanks a ton for your information.
ReplyDeleteI wish some one tell me about properties of Rahu's seated in Thannu as 8th house.
ReplyDeleteTo Rathinavel
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Thanks for answering Agambrahmaasmi.Your answers are apt.That is the spirit.I appreciate it.
Okay coming to the 11th, many planets in elventh, we have to see whether they are not in war.If in war benefits will get spoiled.
If not in war combustion, retrogation if present also spoil the game. Then ashta varga suya varga strength that also plays a role.
If every thing positive then profit will be according to the karakathawa of the planet occupying that 11th place.
If a benefic sits in 11th house, profit will come in righteous way. If malefics sit profit will come by illegitimate way.Lesson 128 deals with this in "claasroom 2007"
I search High and low in classroom2007 about lesson 8house its not available , goodthing i ended up find one more useful link http://scssundar.blogspot.com/2008/06/blog-post.html
ReplyDeletehe has complied classroom2007 lessons orderly manner.
To AGAMBRHMAASMI
ReplyDelete-----------------8TH BAAVA WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC BY Vaathiyaar in classroom 2007.He has planned to send it by email to REGISTERED STUDENTS.So you may also register there. scs sundar's kooduthurai is incomplete. Vaathiyaar has run many lessons and kooduthurai yet to claasify many lessons.
Read vaathiyar's lesons one by one and then you can use kooduthurai for immediate reference.
Did you visit all the threads in this paarppu blog? In the right side tail end you have archiv information.Go inside and read the old posts.Read the "prdiction scame true" in all the months.
Dear Sir.
ReplyDeletecan you explain about branhahatthi dosam.
Thank you
MR.Krishnan we thank you for such wonderful service you are doing using this blog,VALKA VALAMUDAN.
ReplyDeletei have to we come to know a person will be doing Business (suyatholil) or Employed (sevakam)
There are some books i read but not hitting the dart. I wish you can give me details about this in elaborate.
Hope to hear from you soon sir.
TO MR. KRISHNAN
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. I agree with your explanation. From this discussion, I am getting a new doubt in my mind.
Most of the people get education upto the age of 25-30, marriage in age 25-35, retirement (sudden loss of full income) in the age 55-65. Then how come their dasas and bukthis play a role?
If we take horoscopes of 10 people retiring at the same age, someone might be running Jupiter dasa, someone might be running Rahu dasa etc etc. Someone's horoscope might say that income will increase but his retirement time is near. Why such contradiction?
Someone's horoscope might say that his health will be excellent but he is ill because he is 90 years old.
Someone might die in Rahu Dasa, while someone else might die in Jupiter dasa.
Can you please explain this phenomenon?
Thanks and Regards
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Raghav Mahajan
hiiii..this is Mrs. R Laxmi
ReplyDeletei have a doubt in my daughters case...is it true that having same nadi of both boy and girl, the couple in future have difficulty in having children or even might not nave kids
pls reply...will be thankful
Sir, Namaskaram. It is generally considered that if Lagna lord is in 6th/8th/12th house it becomes weak ( maraivu sthanam ). But for Thula lagna, lagna lord attains exaltation in 6th house. For Dhanur lagna, lagna lord attains exaltation in 8th house.For Kumbha lagna, lagna lord is in own house in 12th. Therefore in such cases,are the lagna lords strong or are they weak? Will such a placement bring benefit or problems to the person ? Kindly clarify.
ReplyDeleteDear Sir
ReplyDeleteNamasthey.Can I wear Yellow sapphire in silver or I should wear only in gold.Pls clarify.
Bhushan from AP
ReplyDeleteSir, If we go deep then many doubts on sastra comes, for instance in my birth chart -Kanya lagna- Ravi in 1st , Sukra and Budha in 2nd , Kuja and Rahu in 5th and Shani in 9th (Retro) and Chandra Kethu in 11th place located. Interestingly in my bhava chart Sukra became neecha in 1st house and Budha in uccha, Saturn in 8th house- So which would I consider to see the accurate results related to profession and yogas.
Bhushan from AP
ReplyDeleteWhen I observed several ministers and politicians no ucha grahas or power ful positions find in their horoscopes. but How they become rulers? Wether it yoga of purva janma or attained from parents or their own hard work?
please also consider brahmins from other states sir, try to brief lessons in English only so as to learn in easy manner
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